The Power of Astrocartography

Sandra Nelly

[00:00:49] Mickelle: Hello everyone, and welcome to the House of Peregrine podcast. Today I’m extremely excited to have on Sandra Nelly, who is an astrologer and astro cartographer, and is going to tell us about the astrology of place.

[00:01:19] Mickelle: Sandra, I am so excited to have you on today. Thank you so much for coming.

[00:01:22] Sandra: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. Super excited to be here.

[00:01:26] Mickelle: Awesome. Well, I want to start out, maybe we’ll start, if you don’t mind, giving us a brief definition of astrocartography, and then we can move into who you are. Yeah, for

[00:01:37] Sandra: sure.

[00:01:38] Sandra: I don’t want to get too technical because there could be people listening that might not know anything about astrology, but just to start off at the very beginning, all of us are made up of a blueprint. We call it natal chart or birth chart. It’s essentially your birth time, location and date dictate kind of your 12 houses.

[00:01:58] Sandra: And it’s called a birth chart. You can pull it up. There’s a lot of free sites if you’re curious. And It’s kind of the blueprint or the makeup of our personality and who we are. Planets fall into different places and everyone has like a unique birth chart, even if you’re twins, like there are little things that will be different most of the time.

[00:02:17] Sandra: And astro cartography, as you said we’re talking about place and we can take that birth chart and that information and overlay it essentially in the global map and different places will have different sort of energies. Flowing into your life, depending on where you are. And this birth chart essentially also changes depending on where you live.

[00:02:37] Sandra: So something really interesting to note for your audience.

[00:02:41] Mickelle: Yeah. Well, and I, I think when you move somewhere, it actually changes your chart. You said. Yeah. Exactly. All right. I can’t wait to get into that. But first, I want to know who you are. Tell us just about you a little bit.

[00:02:56] Sandra: Yeah, for sure. Well, I’m a globetrotter myself.

[00:02:59] Sandra: I’ve moved around my whole life. Kind of started as a kid with my parents. And then when I was like a grown up, I kind of like chose that lifestyle. So I’ve done it all. I’ve been a digital nomad. I’ve moved for work. You know, I traveled the world. So yeah, so I’m kind of like back and forth between places and on planes all the time.

[00:03:18] Sandra: I’m kind of between North America and Europe at the moment. And yeah, I also like, you know, travel at least once a month for pleasure as well. So just like, yeah, constantly living that like laptop lifestyle.

[00:03:31] Mickelle: Yeah. And do you think Is that, I always ask people this question because I always love hearing their response.

[00:03:37] Mickelle: Do you think that that’s something innate in you that feels good to, to always be moving like that and seeing, being in different places? Or do you think that’s something that happened because of how you grew up?

[00:03:47] Sandra: So it’s actually my birth chart. So you can essentially see it there. There’s a lot of like, again, not trying to get too technical, but there’s a lot of like different pointers just pointing at that.

[00:03:58] Sandra: So again, it’s kind of like the blueprint of the makeup of of me.

[00:04:03] Mickelle: Yeah. So that’s one way you can maybe explain it. Is that yeah. And so we talk a lot about how Peregrine’s so House of Peregrine is all about making that intentional, making that finding other people like you and making a culture around it.

[00:04:18] Mickelle: And so I, I found that people tend to, they, there’s like a something and maybe it’s in their birth chart, all of them, but they, they say they have itchy feet or they have like something in them always wanted to be on the move or wanted, had this impulse to see the world or go somewhere else if it didn’t suit them.

[00:04:35] Mickelle: And so I love that there might be a tool to help us maybe make sense of that. Yeah. And also maybe. Help us plan like one one tool to help us plan. Yeah,

[00:04:46] Sandra: 100%. It’s just like another piece of the pie if you will Some more knowledge to kind of like, you know puzzle things together Understand like where’s the best place for me or where can I have the best success?

[00:04:59] Sandra: In life and career and love and whatever the goal is.

[00:05:03] Mickelle: Yeah, and how did you come to this? So tell us just quickly where were you born? Just give us a overview of your life and then how you got to this and then we’re gonna dive in

[00:05:11] Sandra: Yeah, so I was born in Germany and then when I was two, we moved to Canada, and then ever since then, we’ve kind of been moving everywhere.

[00:05:19] Sandra: And then I’ve lived in many places, including Amsterdam, including London Stockholm, so like, I’ve been all over the place. But yeah, so astrology has been part of my life ever since I can remember. Kind of like, you know, my mom, my aunt, everyone were, like, all of the people in my life were kind of into it, so I’ve always been, like, reading books.

[00:05:37] Sandra: Awesome.

[00:05:37] Mickelle: Was it like in magazines, like you would look up your horoscope or was it something else?

[00:05:41] Sandra: No, actually, you know, my, my mom had like a friend who was doing a lot of readings and actually I had an astro cartography reading back in the day, not knowing what it is. And actually it was like, obviously super manual back then not to age myself, but now we have like great software that we can just like, you know, quickly punch everything in and kind of run all the details.

[00:06:02] Sandra: Yeah. So we have like tons of books around the house where I spent a lot of time at my aunt’s. place and the same thing. And, you know, like, just like, you know, just, I was surrounded by, by all of that. And yeah, it was just really fascinating for me. It’s really about not so much like predicting things, but really about like unlocking.

[00:06:18] Sandra: I’m just always fascinated by like personality tests and like, who, who am I, who are these people I’m dealing with? And like, I read this book, it was kind of aimed at like, you know, like. You know, saying Aries as a kid and Aries as a dad and Aries as a mom and kind of going through the Zodiac and and I was like, just kind of reading through that and I’m like, Oh, wow, this is like, this is me.

[00:06:40] Sandra: This is my my dad. This is my on this is so it’s kind of like resonated with me and kind of Yeah, I’ve been just like, definitely like studying and in and out with And then when astrocartography came into my life, and again, coming back to the kind of that full circle moment. Oh, I have, you know, had a reading without knowing that was astrocartography because I was a kid and just like had no concept of like what’s going on.

[00:07:04] Sandra: So yeah, when I discovered that it was like really that full circle moment. I’m like, Oh, wow. So this is really and I’ve always had a fascination with maps. And like I just love going to like, like when I lived in London, there was this massive store with maps and just like love going there and spending my whole day there.

[00:07:19] Sandra: And just like, yeah, geography in general. And just like, you know, just very passionate about it. So this is great. I can put like my both passions together and kind of like, yeah, that’s how I got into it.

[00:07:30] Mickelle: That’s amazing. And so as a kid, it was part of your growing up, then you kind of did university did. I think marketing

[00:07:37] Sandra: for a while?

[00:07:37] Sandra: Yeah, I did marketing so communication, just, you know, general media and marketing. And I was also, again, I was Like I said, I was always fascinated about like the aspect of people and personality and tests and things like that. So like the other part was always like, you know, HR and like, you know, something like, you know, more stable, if you will, and kind of business.

[00:07:58] Sandra: And then I also like did career coaching, worked with a lot of marketers, also coaching them and kind of like, yeah. Then saw astrology because I focus on career and business astrology as well as astro cartography. Kind of like I saw. I saw that really like fitting in and kind of you know, I’m able to like use both in certain readings but yeah, I just use astrology primarily now to help others.

[00:08:22] Mickelle: So that full circle moment you’re talking about is basically as a kid, you were immersed in this and then you went on a different path, got skills, a lot, this happens a lot actually, did like a real job. Yeah, if you will and then came back to it somehow and that full circle moment is you finding Oh all the things I’ve been doing have kind of led to my craft exactly And I think that’s really beautiful actually and especially this happens.

[00:08:45] Mickelle: I think when we’re I don’t know. I don’t know if it’s just a process of maturing or something, but when we come back and that moment you realize like, oh, I got a reading when I was a kid. That’s an amazing moment. I love that so much. And you’re like, it’s been in my blood all the time. This is amazing.

[00:09:01] Mickelle: So I mean.

[00:09:03] Sandra: With careers in general, right? I mean, especially the day and age we live in now, you know, people have multiple careers through their lifetime. And obviously a lot of people I work with actually come to me because they want to understand what is actually, you know, their ideal career. They want to change something, but they don’t really know how.

[00:09:20] Sandra: And we tap into, we look at their mid heaven, which is kind of like your number one career. Like houses in the birth chart and obviously planets that come into play and really try to unlock what is kind of already ingrained in you, where could you be best? We put, you know, different aspects together and there’s so much that we can look at.

[00:09:39] Sandra: And yeah, just like I try to give them as much knowledge as. possible so they can make an informed decision. And in terms of astrology, that actually happens a lot that a lot of people you know, dip in and out of astrology. Some people have their spiritual awakening way later in life. Some people have, you know, been exposed to astrology like myself and kind of like, you know, have studied do like something completely different and come back to it.

[00:10:04] Sandra: And it’s kind of like, yeah, it’s very common amongst peers for sure.

[00:10:09] Mickelle: Yeah. And I had always. I’ve heard of, I mean, I’ve been interested in it, like, just in the back of magazines for years, you know, just, it’s a fun, I mean, I think if you’re, I’m a Libra, so I think when you’re a Libra, you get a lot of positive attention, so like, when you look in a book, especially back when I was a kid, Libra always had something nice to say, so, I think it helped.

[00:10:28] Mickelle: Yeah,

[00:10:28] Sandra: I mean, you know, the horse and magazines, that’s a whole nother topic. Obviously, you know, some of them are written by astrologers, others maybe not so much. And also they’re, you know, focused usually on sunsides. Generally as astrologers, we prefer to look at rising sides or the ascendant. You might have heard of that.

[00:10:44] Sandra: That’s essentially your first house. And that’s kind of you The person, the personality, while the sun sign is more like how people see you or perceive you. So there’s like a big of a big debate really around that. And, you know, astrologers, when, when they do these kinds of horoscopes, they say, look at your rising sign.

[00:11:01] Sandra: Again, there’s lots of free tools. You can, if you don’t know your rising sign now,

[00:11:06] Mickelle: now there is,

[00:11:07] Sandra: now there is exactly.

[00:11:09] Mickelle: But when I was a kid, there was just the magazines or the books. But I think there are a lot of free tools out there, but what I’ve. Learned. And this is for astrology. and now into astrocartography is having someone who’s skilled at reading it gives you more insights because, because you’re looking at many more points perhaps than, than someone.

[00:11:32] Mickelle: And so when you combine that with perhaps like a goal or a question, so is that kind of how people come to you? They’re like, okay, I have a question or I have a, a, something I’m wondering about. Is that how people normally come to you first? Yeah, it

[00:11:47] Sandra: depends. So, first of all, yes, for astrochortography specifically, it definitely, like, if you can, please work with an astrochortographer.

[00:11:55] Sandra: And I’m not saying that because, you know I run a business, but I’m saying that because the sites that are out there that are for free. free. They don’t even show you all the details or you cannot really zoom in. And it’s not just about the lines you see and the meaning. It’s also in relation to your relocated chart in relation to, to things without again getting too technical.

[00:12:16] Sandra: There’s things like, you know, vertical lines and also Horizontal lines, a lot of people don’t look at those, but they also are very important. So there’s just a lot to, to kind of digest and look at. So if you can, please work with a stroke photographer. As for how people come to me It varies, like some people are just like completely like, I don’t know where to move.

[00:12:41] Sandra: Obviously, there’s, you know, sometimes like criteria, like visa situations, like where can I actually go that, you know, we try to limit it because like looking around the world everywhere in much detail is obviously like basically impossible, but so I try to like, you know, ideally one to two locations for a deep dive, but obviously four to five is also fine to get started.

[00:13:03] Sandra: And obviously first we can look at the whole world. Some people come to me and are just like, okay, I want to move you know, within the U S I want like, you know, better climate situation or better political situation. Or, you know, I just. want to live in like a bigger town or something like that. And sometimes, yes, people, obviously, because I’m a career and business astrologer, so I naturally get those people already kind of coming to me and like, I want to, you know, move somewhere to for better career opportunities, for example, or, you know, to, to to, you know, get better business opportunities.

[00:13:37] Sandra: But I try to get people to focus on one like primary goal and one secondary goal. secondary goal. If, if at all just because there’s no place that’s a hundred percent perfect. That’s like the number one disclaimer, every report I send out, every reading I have, every astro cartographer will tell you that you know, like you might be having a place that’s super great for your career, but maybe not so great for, you know, for home life, you know, there’s, you have to compromise.

[00:14:04] Sandra: There’s lots

[00:14:05] Mickelle: of things. So I just want to back up really quick. So with astrology. Most people know that astrology is your time of birth, or no, is sometimes just your date of birth. And then there’s like a more specific one that’s your date and time of birth, and that can give you more information. When we go into what you’re doing, it’s even more specific to, these are places that you will thrive.

[00:14:28] Mickelle: So you use your birth date and time and place, and then you can project which parts of the world would be best for you, say, if you want to, to grow your business. Or if you want to have better relationships, and these are places specific to you and your birth time. It’s not that you can’t fall in love somewhere else or you can’t have a successful business.

[00:14:52] Mickelle: These are just places that are just like really good for you. Is that how you’d put it? Like they, they will really make things easier.

[00:14:59] Sandra: Yeah. And again, it’s, there’s so many things that come into play. So at the very least, the top three, as I was saying, like the planetary lines of vertical lines, which have like, you know, they’re.

[00:15:10] Sandra: They have a span of quite a lot of kilometers or miles, and then the parants, which are like the horizontal lines, which some people will ignore if you’re working with an astrography or ask them if they’re working with parents and the relocated chart. So again, two of these might be looking great, but then the relocated chart, for example, has something that you’ll just have to deal with because you know there’s.

[00:15:33] Sandra: Again, no perfect place unless you’re 100 percent like lucky and like, you know, the chances are like it’s written in your stars. And so, but yeah, usually there’s some compromise having said that, especially for astro cartography, yes, you mentioned. So in general, if you run a birth chart, yes, ideally you want to have all your details, including the birth time.

[00:15:52] Sandra: If you don’t you can also get a rectification specialist, kind of try to work that out for you. But that’s a whole nother story. For astrocortography, you definitely want to be like super exact because even if you’re like a few minutes off with your birth time, the astrocortography will change. So yeah, before coming to me you ideally want to know your exact birth time.

[00:16:15] Mickelle: And I just took the one from my, my birth certificate.

[00:16:17] Sandra: Yes. Yeah. Is

[00:16:18] Mickelle: that? Yeah.

[00:16:20] Sandra: Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. That’s the best way. Obviously, you know, some people might not have that, especially like an older generations. You know, obviously different countries are also, you know, like recording things differently.

[00:16:32] Sandra: Yeah, that’s from an official source, like a birth certificate. That’s ideal. Obviously some people sometimes ask their mom or dad and obviously they know roughly it was in the afternoon, but it’s not precise. So yeah. Yeah. If. If you can check your birth certificate or official sources, that’s the best way.

[00:16:48] Mickelle: And I hear you saying that if you don’t know, you can do what? You said you can have a

[00:16:53] Sandra: rectification? like a rectification specialist, like astrologer, essentially, that works things out. Kind of, they, they work backwards. Like, you know, they try to, It’s, it’s a huge kind of undertaking, but it’s very interesting.

[00:17:06] Sandra: If you’re curious, there’s like some examples, for example, on YouTube. So they kind of work backwards. They puzzle things together based on what we know, and then kind of ask you questions on the possibilities, what your, you know, what your birth time could be, where do you see yourself fitting in and a lot of other things.

[00:17:23] Sandra: But yeah, that’s definitely an option if you don’t have any means to access your exact birth time.

[00:17:29] Mickelle: Never heard of this. Super interesting. Okay. Thanks for explaining that. And so Now I have my birth time. I have my birthplace. I have my My question or my purpose for finding this out. Yeah, so I can come to you and I did this actually I came to you And said, okay, can you just take a quick look so we can give people an example?

[00:17:50] Mickelle: and and to have you You’re looking at it differently than a computer program would be so you can maybe get a tiny bit of an idea By putting it into one of the free things but coming to you And I’ve so I’ve given you my stuff so you can look in and say oh What can you tell? from like maybe give me an example like when you did a brief

[00:18:12] Sandra: yeah for sure so first of all like yeah as i was saying there’s free tools out there but the best one out there as astro cartographers is called solar fire it’s a bit old school but yeah it’s professional software that just has all the features you can imagine and more there’s another tool called astro gold also a lot of astrologers use it they just rolled out a few astro cartography kind of improvements just earlier this year so i kind of use a combination of both just For various reasons, but yeah, we definitely have software that can.

[00:18:41] Sandra: Go just way more in detail, I can run like very easily various relocated charts or like I can even go with like a Little cursor across the world and just see how things change So yeah, I would definitely first of all again, some people come to me and they’re like already Okay, I only want to move to like California or the Netherlands So then already I’m like looking at that in more detail.

[00:19:03] Sandra: Other people are like, okay, I don’t know where to go at all. And obviously people, you know, come to me as well. Like I want to travel somewhere and just like, you know, feel super relaxed. Like then obviously I look at the whole world and kind of try to see, you know, where the. Planetary lines, first of all, that could assist with that, and then kind of try to narrow it down, and often it’s like a back and forth when it’s a report, and obviously if it’s a reading, it’s like, you know, way more immediate, and we can just talk about it, and I can screen share, so yeah, so that’s kind of the it.

[00:19:32] Sandra: I pull up the relocate. First of all, I look at your natal chart, of course. And then pull up your astro cartography map, which is based on your natal birth chart. Then again, I look at the planetary lines. I look at the the relocated chart. So once we kind of start narrowing it down on locations and kind of like, you know, advice on how.

[00:19:51] Sandra: Things change. So in your example for I know you are born in Utah in the U. S. And you lived in various locations there. So, for example, the relocated chart, because the locations are so close, it wouldn’t change much from your birth chart. But now that you’ve moved to Amsterdam definitely, you know, things have shifted.

[00:20:08] Sandra: And what I was able to see, for example, just in your relocated chart, that career is a bigger focus. That, you know Working with technologies and groups and foreigners is definitely in your birth chart, both in terms of like making money and having kind of, you know, partnerships. So just like, yeah, it’s very interesting to see knowing what you do also that it kind of lines up.

[00:20:29] Sandra: And in terms of also your, and obviously I just like had a brief look, but yeah, so you, in terms of your Paran, so the horizontal lines you have actually two, one going right through Amsterdam and one just like very very close to it. So you will be feeling those energies and they actually support.

[00:20:45] Sandra: Kind of what you are doing as well. And again, not trying to get too technical but you have like a Venus slide, for example, and Venus, Mercury, Mercury associated with communications, and you have like an interesting placement in your chart. Venus, because you have a night chart it’s also your benefic.

[00:21:01] Sandra: So like your most positive planet and you have it in your money house in Amsterdam. So again, it’s kind of like a beneficial line, if you will for that as well. And then For the planetary lines, you have like a few over Europe. So they, they, the energies for that, they span further. So up to a thousand kilometers, obviously the closer you are, the better, or maybe not, because sometimes we actually recommend not being on the line because the energies could be so strong.

[00:21:29] Sandra: So it’s actually sometimes better to be further away in your case, there’s no line, like. Right within the vicinity, but you have a line kind of going through, I’m going to say like through Germany, kind of roughly there. So you’re a bit further away. But just like the line again, kind of like more indicates more energy and also has like specific meaning with the placement in your relocated chart, but just like, yeah, you’re definitely like a, you know, career wise, like more a go getter in your current location versus in Utah, for example.

[00:21:58] Sandra: One interesting thing is also like you have a lot of like positive placements in the house of career. So as opposed to Utah And yeah, and also chiron I would need to look it up again But I remember like the chiron is essentially the kind of like, wounding and healing so we all have it placed somewhere and kind of where it’s placed.

[00:22:18] Sandra: It kind of means some, you know, we have something to deal with and it could be like, you know, more negatively impacted, but it’s also like a lesson learned or a lesson to be learned there and something to be healed. So just like the placement of that has shifted for you and it’s kind of like, I believe in Utah, it was in the 10th house, so house of career.

[00:22:38] Sandra: And that has shifted now into a different house in Amsterdam. So I guess that’s also like something that’s, you know, kind of. Positively impacting you, at least in terms of career and business.

[00:22:48] Mickelle: This is, this is insane, because it really, like we came, we came to Amsterdam basically on intuition.

[00:22:55] Sandra: Mm hmm.

[00:22:56] Mickelle: So it’s really funny that you can tell, you can tell my story backwards, basically, and you don’t know me at all.

[00:23:02] Sandra: Yeah, and honestly, so Intuition should not be ignored, like, knowing all the things you know, but if you have a calling, and I’ve had this many times in my life, so you know, I mentioned I lived in Stockholm, I’ve lived in, you know, various places, I had a calling, just, I wanted to go to these places. I didn’t know why, but there’s always a lesson to be learned or a story to unfold.

[00:23:24] Sandra: So you should definitely not ignore your intuition, even like if the astrocortography is maybe not supportive, but there could be just a lesson, especially people who travel, like, you know, obviously relocation is, you know, something different, but yeah, if you have a calling, definitely. And again, for me, it was also like kind of.

[00:23:41] Sandra: Really interesting when I kind of, again, started to, to look into astro cartography to really look at, you know, my lines in Sweden and, you know, to this day, I getting like a lot of business, if you will, from Sweden, even though I haven’t been there in many, many years just, and, you know, looking back at my astro cartography there, there’s a hundred percent, the explanation to why, so I was also very busy there.

[00:24:05] Sandra: And again, that’s, It’s also written in the, in the map, if you will.

[00:24:09] Mickelle: Yeah. That’s amazing. That’s amazing. And so I feel like you just gave us a little bit of a sample of what’s, what it’s like to work, work. So is, so we did, you did just like a quick, hopefully overview, but when someone works with you this way, you basically go deeper into their chart and have like an.

[00:24:25] Mickelle: A session and then you can tell them things they can ask questions. Is that right?

[00:24:30] Sandra: Yeah, exactly. I work in two ways. So I do either written reports also because I can do them kind of, you know, without you having to wait sometimes multiple weeks to, to meet in person. So I, you know, and a lot of it is like back and forth, like I’m always on, you know, responding to people on email, asking additional questions just because I try to tailor things as much as possible as I would in a reading, where for astro cryptography, like I definitely and a lot of my peers, we do a lot of pre work.

[00:24:57] Sandra: So you know, we don’t go in just blindly, we definitely look at all the details already ahead. It’s a lot of information, you can probably gather ready to just know and I could put them all like kind of like into a report as well. Well, and kind of go through that. And then in the session, we would, you know, look at the the software and we can, you know, look at all the details and yeah, it’s a lot of like, you know, asking questions and trying to figure things out.

[00:25:22] Sandra: What could be the ideal sort of spot?

[00:25:25] Mickelle: Yeah, nice. And so. So that is really, really fun. So you’ve just told my story backwards, basically. So I felt like I couldn’t reach any, any of my life goals in Utah. And so moving to Amsterdam, but it took me five years to really dive deep and figure out exactly because I was a filmmaker before.

[00:25:45] Mickelle: And now, now I’m doing something quite different. But I really dug deep, took five years and really just like figured out where I fit in the world, what I was bringing into the world. And so that’s really, really fun that you can see it in a chart. And so I would then come to you next to read forward, right?

[00:26:01] Mickelle: Like if I were to come to you, I’d be like, okay. Should I settle? Are these the type of questions? I just want to make sure I have it right. So I would be like, okay, so I want to know where my next spot is. I don’t know if Amsterdam’s my forever place. Maybe that’s a question. Or should I settle in Amsterdam and plan to retire here?

[00:26:17] Mickelle: Is this a good move in the stars? Obviously, you can’t tell me the future, but it’s one tool maybe you could use when you’re trying to test Like what you’re feeling.

[00:26:27] Sandra: Yeah, 100%. So yeah, if you have a feeling like should I go to a place definitely that’s an option. Or again, some people are just like, you know, they already know I, I want to move, I want to travel somewhere for, you know, for a while.

[00:26:40] Sandra: These are the places that I’m considering where is the best spot there because obviously countries are big. So like, you know, where. Where will I feel the best? And obviously everyone’s also different. Like some people I have clients that feel the energy is really strongly and really immediately. And others with astro cryptography, it also depends which planetary line, for example, we’re looking at some of the energies will take a while, could not take up to three months or so to, to kind of unfold.

[00:27:04] Sandra: And obviously the longer you. stay in a place, the more your start becoming your relocated chart. So it’s not like you, you know, show up on day one, you’re completely like transformed and everything has changed. But some of the, the placements will be felt like almost immediately. And yeah, with astro cartography also I want to say it’s not just about relocation or travel.

[00:27:26] Sandra: You can also use that knowledge. just where you are with remote activation. So for example, determining where are your ideal clients potentially located. So I noticed that in my case there a lot of my clients.

[00:27:40] Mickelle: And I want to get into this with the business part, but I want to ask one more question if I can about personal and then we’ll get into business if that’s okay.

[00:27:47] Mickelle: Cause that’s super interesting that you do.

[00:27:49] Mickelle: So one question I have is so if you’re moving yourself, that’s one thing to consider. But say like I have I have a partner and three kids and our lines are obviously going to be different. And so would you suggest when if a family is trying to move somewhere that would be beneficial for multiple members of the family or ideally all of them?

[00:28:11] Mickelle: Obviously there’s no perfect place, especially for multiple people. But what is your recommendation for if people really want to make a really good choice and maybe they have a few options? Or. Yeah, like me, like we can live anywhere. So we really can choose. How would you approach that with your clients?

[00:28:27] Sandra: Yeah. So I know of a case just recently, I was talking to my peers of a family that they all had different goals, but they were looking kind of to relocate somewhere. And they were so lucky that literally the stars aligned, they found a location that, you know, checked all the things that everyone was looking for.

[00:28:45] Sandra: But that’s, you know, that’s. That’s usually not the case. Yeah. Like even doing readings for two people, like I work with a lot of couples for example, that’s already where it gets challenging and one partner’s kind of has to either compromise or you know, sometimes I get people coming to me and saying like, okay, we’re going to prioritize my partner because his career is kind of, you know, more promising.

[00:29:07] Sandra: I will take a step back. These are my objectives, but you know, if we cannot meet that, then that’s fine. So, you know, but in terms of like a family You know, generally, the consensus is kind of if the parents are happy you know, if their careers are thriving or they’re making more money than before, or, you know, whatever it is, they have like a happy home life they’re not fighting or whatever it is then the children are likely having a better life as well in that respect, so they can maybe travel more or, you know, they can do more extra curricular activities or whatever it is.

[00:29:39] Sandra: So just like, you know, in general, like happy parents, Happy children, obviously, you know, if we can, we could look at the children as well. And, you know, there’s definitely things to consider. But yeah, it’s, it gets complicated. The more people that come in the mix for sure.

[00:29:54] Mickelle: That’s in general, but I think for international families, that’s a really big thing.

[00:30:01] Mickelle: So when I. Most of my friends that are living and living internationally will have these moments where they sit down and go, Okay, are we renewing our contract? Are we staying here? Or their kids come to like, go, go to new school. Like they grow up, they go from one school to another. And there’s these inflection points.

[00:30:18] Mickelle: And I can imagine a couple If they were so inclined or one of the people in the couple of being like, Hey, why don’t we bring this in as a tool and just see what it says and see if it resonates. So I think that’s really powerful because it seems like there isn’t a lot of, I mean, intuition is super powerful, a job moving you super powerful, but this is just one more tool to make it a little more intentional, which I think is really nice.

[00:30:40] Mickelle: Yeah.

[00:30:42] Sandra: I guess on that point, I also like advise my clients, especially when they are looking to relocate, if they can travel to that location first, just to see, because the astro cartography may be great, but if you’re not meshing with the people or the culture or just like generally the architecture or something, you know, there’s like little things then, you know, that’s also something to consider apart from like climate and, you know, personal preference if someone wants to live in a city or, or not.

[00:31:08] Mickelle: Yeah, this is not a predictive guide. It’s not a, yeah, you still got to use your, your, your own discernment.

[00:31:14] Sandra: And the next step is also, I don’t do that in the, like, initial reading usually, but you can definitely book a follow up session where we look at timing specifically. So there, there are obviously with, You know, transits and secondary progressions.

[00:31:27] Sandra: And it’s called cyclocartography. And again, the software that we use kind of makes it super easy. But there’s a lot of things to just like consider and look at again. So it’s usually like, you know, a session in its own, right. But yeah, you could definitely also like try to time your move, like when it’s most beneficial or, you know, things like that.

[00:31:45] Sandra: So if, if, if you have the luxury to, to time things,

[00:31:49] Mickelle: that’s amazing. I love it. I love, love, love it. Okay. So you also do something else that’s super interesting, which you do astro cartography for business.

[00:31:59] Sandra: So, yeah. So essentially, yeah, because again, my background kind of in careers and obviously running a business and just generally marketing yeah, I’m just like super passionate about that.

[00:32:09] Sandra: And again, it’s a tool to kind of help unlock things. Again, I worked with a lot of like people, so they’re looking to change careers, but yeah, business for sure.

[00:32:17] Mickelle: Cause, cause your business has its own.

[00:32:19] Sandra: Exactly. Yes. So House of Peregrine

[00:32:22] Mickelle: has its own birth chart, basically. Yeah, that’s amazing. I have no idea about this.

[00:32:27] Sandra: Yeah. So, yeah. So again, you want to look at an official source ideally, and it’s not really when you started things like officially, like putting out your first messages in the world, but really like, when did you register your business or would you, when did you like invest like a consider amount to.

[00:32:43] Sandra: Start your business. Like really like, when did things, you know, start? Like, when did you purchase your domain? So like really like the, the initial kind of like first step that’s the best time to, to kind of consider, obviously, you know, if you have an email from like a government institution confirming your registration or something, that’s where you can get maybe the time, I know it’s sometimes tricky if the business has been in existence for a very long time and it might’ve not been captured, so then, you know, we can use like 12 PM in general, like as a When you have unknown time, that’s often like the default.

[00:33:14] Sandra: Yeah, and your business birth chart, obviously, if it’s a massive corporation, you know, it’s a whole nother story. But a lot of people I work with have like a, you know, they’re the founder and they’re like a one woman or one one man show. So, or like, you know, very small kind of operation. So you want to look at your business chart for like, you know, you can fine tune your branding and your marketing and your financial strategy and kind of like unlock who your audience is.

[00:33:41] Sandra: But then you want to, for like forecasting and things like that, really use your like. personal chart, because again, you are the business. So, yeah, but having both in kind of and being able to look at that is definitely helpful. In your case, I also had a brief look at it. Very interesting kind of like the placements that you have in your natal chart versus your business chart, they kind of like are either like in an opposition, which is quite nice, or like in other really good angles.

[00:34:08] Sandra: So they’re kind of like shifted. So there’s like a lot of like nice overlap between the two. So I found that really interesting that kind of Yeah, there’s definitely that. I don’t know if you feel about this in that way, but yeah It feels very harmonious and kind of like that. It’s like meant to be in the sense that yeah Things should be flowing more easily for you.

[00:34:28] Mickelle: Yeah, it feels like I always say at House of Peregrine Part of our part of our essence is magic because sometimes things just magically happen and I really love that and I do Feel like I brought it into the world in a very intentional way. Mm-hmm . That was aligned with myself, but I was basically just like feeling my way through.

[00:34:45] Mickelle: Mm-hmm . And so it’s really fun to see it again in the chart, which is really nice. And I think that that gives it, it’s just nice again to have another tool to check your intuition. So I always like to have like a. Gut check on a lot of things and so it’s really, it’s fun to hear what you already kind of know, but then also I think this would be something that someone would come to you.

[00:35:08] Mickelle: So the next city at House of Peregrine should open in. I could come to you and be like, okay, I have a feeling that I want to open in these cities. How does that look on the chart? And then I could maybe use that to be like, oh, does that resonate or no, I don’t really like that. Yeah. It doesn’t make sense financially.

[00:35:23] Mickelle: And

[00:35:23] Sandra: that’s already like narrowing it down. Cause again, I work with people who have no idea whatsoever. They just want it. Yeah. get out of a country and they, you know, they don’t know where to start at all. So it’s like a tool also to start narrowing things down before you can get to that point. Yeah.

[00:35:38] Mickelle: Yeah. That’s cool. You might have. We just had the election in the U. S. this week, so I imagine there may be some people who are looking for a place to move. Yes, yeah. But yeah, that’s, I’m sure, so there’s that kind of people or businesses, and then there’s people who I can imagine someone who maybe has moved with their partner and now needs to change careers.

[00:36:01] Mickelle: Is that another, I think that’s, it would be a really nice use case because I think a lot of, I don’t like this term, but traveling spouses, like

[00:36:08] Sandra: trailing

[00:36:09] Mickelle: spouses they have to start over because their career, they don’t have a license or something for what they did before. So if they’re a doctor or a nurse So that might be a really nice use, too, if someone needs to reinvent themselves.

[00:36:19] Sandra: Yeah, a hundred percent, because again, tapping into your midheaven usually it’s in the 10th house of career, but it could be in, like, in the 9th or 11th. Again, don’t want to get too technical, because I know we might have people listening that are not familiar with, with all this, but yeah, it’s definitely a tool.

[00:36:33] Sandra: You want to look at it also in context of your, like, rising sign or ascendant. Again and there’s a lot of things you can just unlock, like, you know, what careers could be, you know, interesting again, looking at the relocated chart for the location. Like, what are your career placements there? How are you making money?

[00:36:50] Sandra: Again, there’s so much. And, you know, the more time you have, the more you can like kind of unlock things. And yeah, it’s again, just another piece of the puzzle, so to say.

[00:36:59] Mickelle: Yeah, but you also mentioned something super interesting before that I want to bring in now, which is let’s say Your partners, you’ve decided that you and your partner are going to move somewhere that’s very advantageous for them.

[00:37:11] Mickelle: It may not be advantageous for you. Mm hmm But there’s other tools that you can bring in where you’re projecting a location on and so tell us a little bit about that. So It helps you be more strategic about being in a place maybe that’s not super nice for you.

[00:37:26] Sandra: Yeah, I mean, it’s, one thing is remote activation.

[00:37:29] Sandra: So, I mean, really what it says say, you know, you’re living in Amsterdam but you have a great line. So for career, for example, or business going through Spain, you could bring in those energies either through, you know, just listening to Spanish music or watching Spanish TV on YouTube, watching. Vlogs from Spain you know, sometimes people also experience this that they they’re like Oh, so I have no interest in spain.

[00:37:55] Sandra: I have never been there I I don’t know what but then they they might realize that you know, they’re you know business partner’s dad is from Spain, and that’s kind of where the connection is. And, you know, so sometimes it’s like random things like that that, you know, these, these energies are already in your life without you knowing them because you’re not aware that that’s maybe, you know, the place to be for, for your career.

[00:38:18] Sandra: And yeah, another thing is like really using the astrography to your advantage, either for a career or business, especially business, obviously. If you’re running, for example, remote business like I am like, you know, identifying where your potential clients could be. And in my case, like, again, I can definitely see where my clients are coming from.

[00:38:37] Sandra: It’s on my like Jupiter MC line. So my, my like kind of beneficial career line. And you can use that, for example, for like targeting, like, say, if you’re doing organic posts on Instagram, for example, you could just in the location, put in like, something that’s on that line and see if that helps you.

[00:38:53] Sandra: Obviously, if you’re doing paid ads anywhere, you can use kind of those locations to target people. Amazing. This information is like super

[00:39:01] Mickelle: practical.

[00:39:02] Sandra: Yeah. People use this information, like for example, to determine, should I go to conference a or B? Because once say, you know, in Madrid and once in Rome, where should I go?

[00:39:12] Sandra: You know, because they’re all. expensive and, you know, will there be better connections and better networking in, in one or the other? So, you know, you can use that in various practical ways.

[00:39:24] Mickelle: And so you, you would look at the report you give and go, Oh, this line she told me looks Better, you know, help people know what to focus on.

[00:39:32] Sandra: In this case, I would definitely look at the career lines. And also again, with the relocated charts, with the, you know, with everything else that I mentioned earlier, I would look at, you know, where are the positive career lines. And kind of like, obviously again, it’s a conversation and the longer you run your business also, I would ask, you know, Have you had this experience?

[00:39:51] Sandra: Have you seen a lot of people coming through from that area, for example, and then obviously try to like through through and asking questions, also trying to work things out, but Yeah, there’s I mean, there’s a lot of other tools and techniques. Again, don’t want to get too technical. But yeah, you can definitely use astro cartography to figure out where to go.

[00:40:10] Sandra: And there’s also a nice tool called local space. Usually we look at it from your birthplace. So like if you’re under this Again, they span all around the globe. You just, you can just unlock different energies. Obviously, if you’re near the birth, your birthplace, there will be more kind of energies at play.

[00:40:30] Sandra: But yeah, like you can use this in like, for example, you want to work out and you need that energy, but you’re feeling lethargic and then you, you know, if you, you can also place them in the city you are just like, you know, placing them, say. In the center of Amsterdam and then seeing where they are, it’s, it’s, it’s a bit technical, but you can use that to, for example, determine where should I go and work out, like, where should I have a gym so I have more energy because it’s on that line.

[00:40:54] Sandra: So some people use it even to determine which neighborhood in a city they should, should move in based on you know, the energies they want to unlock.

[00:41:02] Mickelle: Yeah. Ooh, that’s nice. So what about friendships or love? Like it’s career. That’s kind of your like sweet spot. I have a feeling. But if someone is like, Hey, you know, this phase of my life is about making, like, this is how I feel.

[00:41:16] Mickelle: I feel like I’m really satisfied in a lot of ways, but I’m like, no, I want to find like my really, my, my soul friends

[00:41:22] Sandra: that,

[00:41:22] Mickelle: I just want one or two people that are just like, my soul friends, or if someone’s maybe looking for a partner, a romantic partner, those are also things you can kind of, those are different lines as well.

[00:41:33] Sandra: It’s the, it’s the same concept. So again, like for example, for friends, you would look at your 11th house. How does that look like? And again, kind of try to work it out from there. Like what’s going to happen in Amsterdam for you versus when you were back home and and all that. And then also looking at the lines that correspond to that.

[00:41:50] Sandra: So same story, love as well. You would look at specific houses and then planetary placements. And then the lines as well, obviously Venus, you know, often associated with love, but doesn’t necessarily have to mean that again, it depends on your chart and everything. And you know, sometimes there’s also like, again, weird stories, like, you know, you maybe didn’t meet on that line, but again, there’s like a connection, their family comes from that location or something like that.

[00:42:16] Sandra: So You know, there’s this but yeah, same same concept. You know, some people that come to me are like I Obviously career or business, you know being an important thing But also I want to live in a place where I like feel really at home like I don’t feel grounded or settled anywhere like where Where can I go?

[00:42:34] Sandra: So we look at that. Like, again, we look at the fourth house placement, which is like home and kind of like what’s happening there when you relocate and all that. So, yeah.

[00:42:44] Mickelle: Wow. So if it’s like, I know a lot of people, so I’m in my forties

[00:42:48] Sandra: and

[00:42:48] Mickelle: so there’s a lot of my friends that are slightly older than me.

[00:42:51] Mickelle: They’re looking for like the place. They’ve, they’ve kind of traveled a lot or a little, and now they’re like looking for like their place to settle. And so that would be something that someone could come to you and be like, Hey, these are my ideas, or this is what I’m looking for. And then you could guide them to maybe a few options or say even better would be, I want to live somewhere in South America, or I want to live somewhere in North America.

[00:43:14] Mickelle: And then you could help them find the ideal, more ideal places.

[00:43:18] Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Because if you don’t want

[00:43:20] Mickelle: to just move back to where you were born.

[00:43:21] Exactly. Yeah.

[00:43:23] Mickelle: Yeah. Yeah. That’s really cool.

[00:43:25] Definitely. Yeah.

[00:43:26] Mickelle: So these are all really fun. And I just, I feel like in the world, again, this is why House of Peregrine exists, because There’s all sorts of like baby name, like if you want to have your baby name generator or, you know, all this stuff, but like, there’s not really a lot out there that are just little taps to your intuition to be able to, to double check.

[00:43:48] Mickelle: And so I really love when I found, I only learned about astro cartographer, astro cartography maybe a year ago. And I was like, this is amazing. This is what, this is what our Peregrines need. Like this is what we, we need to have something that identifies that we can be a bit more free. And that’s a relatively new concept, actually, to be able to Yeah.

[00:44:07] Sandra: So, Jim Lewis he’s kind of considered the founder of astrocartography. And he wrote this book in the 70s, so that’s kind of when the concept came about. But, yeah, it’s only grown, like, in popularity in the last few years because, obviously, people are moving more so, people are living that laptop lifestyle, so it’s becoming more and more important, so, Yeah, so it definitely like makes sense that you’ve only learned about this more recently.

[00:44:32] Mickelle: And I think that it’s really comforting to have some sort of, I don’t know, like you said, like I said, when you have a baby or when you go to university, there’s all sorts of stuff to help you conceptualize it. And so I think this is one of those that I really align with and think it’s really nice to have.

[00:44:48] Sandra: Speaking of university, that’s also a good use case to, if you’re like torn between a couple locations you know, where will you be able to, to learn the best? And again, also that kind of depending on what you study, there’s also like things we could look at for that, but definitely the ninth house of like education definitely worth looking at.

[00:45:06] Sandra: And again, where will you have more positive lines and just feel better to, to be able to concentrate on your studies?

[00:45:14] Mickelle: That’s amazing. And for those of us, me, who, that’s the next stage you’re trying to help your kids with, that’s super helpful. So it could be like you get it for them for their 18th birthday or their 16th birthday.

[00:45:24] Mickelle: Yeah, a reading. Super fun. All right. You’ve just given me like a million ideas. So great, great job. So your ideal. Your ideal client is someone who is tell me, who do you love to work with?

[00:45:38] Sandra: Okay, so I naturally attract people that I guess want to work with. So it’s people that are either like running their business or like living that laptop lifestyle.

[00:45:50] Sandra: Obviously, I just work mostly with people who are ready. traveling or living in places or are really like open to that and like really want to move. And then, yeah, I get a lot of people who are just like looking to change their career or like level up their career, kind of like, you know, they feel maybe a bit stuck in their current situation and want to understand, should I stay in this or should I do something else?

[00:46:13] Sandra: If so, what is that next? thing. So kind of what you described a bit. And it’s a lot of millennials, but I also get a lot of people who are kind of like born in the sixties and seventies and it kind of comes in waves. And yeah, so it’s all over the board for sure.

[00:46:27] Mickelle: That’s amazing. So the main ingredient is people want to have this influence in the guidance you give them.

[00:46:35] Mickelle: Yeah. Okay. That’s really cool. And so. You use your background in, like, career coaching, all that fun stuff, and then bring the astrocatography as a tool into that, which is really nice. It’s, it’s really, really nice. I love that you came on today. I want people to come to you if this resonates with them.

[00:46:54] Mickelle: If someone is interested in any of the many readings you’ve just brought up, I love them all. I feel like I’m gonna need to hold back with readings. But how do they reach you? What’s the best way to find you?

[00:47:04] Sandra: Yeah, you can go on sandranelli. com that’s probably the easiest. You can find all the links.

[00:47:09] Sandra: to, to my calendar. So you can book yourself directly into session or report. You can, I also write a sub stack where you can just like access free guides. I also have like a few like freebies around career and business astrology if you want to access those. And yeah, I’m all over social media as well.

[00:47:27] Sandra: So if you’d like to follow, you’ll find all the links on there as well.

[00:47:30] Mickelle: So basically at Sandra.

[00:47:31] Sandra: Nelly? SandraNelly. com. And on Instagram, you can find me as Astrology Ventures. But yeah, on SandraNelly. com, you can find all the links to the different places.

[00:47:42] Mickelle: Cool. All right. We’ll put it in the show notes as well.

[00:47:45] Mickelle: Everyone, please reach out to Sandra. If you feel like this would be beneficial for you, I’m really happy that you came on and told us all about it and thank you for the information that I got to hear my story in reverse. That was really fun. And yeah, I hope.

[00:47:59] Sandra: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. Yeah, I’m always happy to share.

[00:48:04] Sandra: If anyone has any questions you’ll also find my, my contact details on my site and, and all those channels. So feel free to reach out if, if there’s any questions and I always try to tailor things as, as best as I can with the constraints that we’re working with, with time and resources and all that.

[00:48:19] Sandra: So. So yeah, feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

[00:48:23] Mickelle: Sounds perfect. Thank you so much. And thank you to everyone listening to the House of Peregrine podcast. We hope you enjoyed our time with Sandra Nelly. Thanks. Bye bye. Okay, that’s it for today. I hope you’ve enjoyed our show for the latest insights on living internationally, join us@houseofperegrine.com to find out how you can connect with our community.

[00:48:46] Mickelle: Let’s craft our life story with intention together.